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Ok, think I have all of the above items correctly placed. I have a couple of lingering questions from info I've seen from other posts. I don't have a lot of things cross referenced on my 2042c yet, but as I fill out the other forms, things keep appearing, and so do the questions!

1), on form 2047, section 7, chart for line 70 - what about listing cg's again there, and then also listing foreign tax paid there, to then be additionally listed on 2042c, 8VL?

2) on form 2047, line 30 - Listing cg's here shows they also need to be listed again on 2042C section 3, lines 3VG and 3UA. Is that correct? 3VG seems to make sense, but I don't have the kinds of cg for 3UA, so it's just 0.

3) on form 2042c, section 2, line 1AH - does one list foreign source pension here again? (also line RSE there, for source of pension.

I feel like I'm on the home stretch. Thank you so very much to all on this forum with their questions and answers. I still don't know what I don't know!
Hi, Dunkelcreature:

The part of the notice for 2047 that you want to look at is the one describing how to deal with foreign income that gets a tax credit equal to the French tax, not the section for foreign income that gets a tax credit equal to the foreign tax:



b: Tax credit equal to the amount of French tax (8 tk)
French tax is defined as income tax plus social security contributions. Regardless of the amount of tax actually collected in the foreign country, it cannot be deducted in : this method results in calculating French tax on foreign income, then offsetting it with a French tax credit of the same amount. This method allows foreign income to be taken into when calculating the French tax rate, which will apply to other household income taxable in , in order to maintain the progressive tax system. In general, the tax credit is granted on the condition that tax has actually been paid abroad. This double taxation elimination mechanism is provided for in treaties concluded with the following states: Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Botswana, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Congo, Côte d'Ivoire, Croatia, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Estonia, Ethiopia, Gabon, Georgia, , Ghana, Greece, Guinea, Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Latvia, Luxembourg, Libya, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Namibia, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saint Martin, Senegal, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uzbekistan, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, the Czech Republic, Ukraine, Venezuela, Vietnam, and Zimbabwe.
With some exceptions, this tax credit eliminates double taxation, particularly with regard to real estate income, income from agricultural and forestry operations, industrial and commercial profits, profits from non-commercial professions, public and private salaries and wages, public pensions, private pensions paid under statutory social security schemes, and certain capital gains.
Reporting Procedures
You must declare this income according to its type on form no. 2047, pages 1 to 3, without deducting the tax paid abroad but after allocating the deductible expenses specific to its category. For salaries, wages, and pensions, you do not need to apply the 10% flat-rate deduction (it will be applied automatically), nor do you need to deduct actual expenses for salaries and wages (you declare these in a separate section). You must also report this income in box 6 on page 4 of tax return no. 2047. In addition, you must report this income in tax return no. 2042 on both line 8TK and for each income category in the boxes corresponding to their type: 1AF to 1DF for salaries, 1AL to 1DL for pensions, 1AR to 1DR for life annuities, 4BK or 4BL for property income, 5AK to 5CL for agricultural profits, 5DF to 5FG for industrial and commercial income, 5EY to 5GZ for non-professional furnished rentals, 5UR to 5WS for non-professional industrial and commercial profits, 5XJ to 5ZK for non-commercial profits, and 5XS to 5ZX for non-professional non-commercial profits.”
 
Would you clarify whether the expert who took this position is a public official?
Yes. As I said earlier, the person I had guidance from and who assisted in fact even with filing out the impots in full, the year before, is one of the local finances publiques expat expert in impôts agents, who happened to also have validated and approved my return the years before. This is sooo hard to comprehend for those (myself included) who only dealt with IRS before...
 
Yes. As I said earlier, the person I had guidance from and who assisted in fact even with filing out the impots in full, the year before, is one of the local finances publiques expat expert in impôts agents, who happened to also have validated and approved my return the years before. This is sooo hard to comprehend for those (myself included) who only dealt with IRS before...
Thank you. I read the words you used to describe him, but still wasn’t sure the public offices had expat tax experts. Not that it matters for me, but some treaty provisions explicitly require US citizenship for a benefit to apply (e.g., the credit for dividends, interest, capital gains). The provisions regarding US sourced pensions do not. I think would be hard pressed to maintain that US citizenship is nevertheless require and to do so based on a general statement about preservation of past treaty benefits in Clinton’s brief letter.
 
I think this is my last question! On form 3916, does one really put your full numbers to all of the s you are reporting? This just seems ripe for fraud and makes me quite nervous. Are the last 4 digits enough? Am I reading/translating the form wrong? Would appreciate some insight here. Thanks in advance!
 
I left it to the last minute again, but completed in about 1à minutes. I have just become a tax payer for the first time ! I'm feeling rather chuffed........
 
I left it to the last minute again, but completed in about 1à minutes. I have just become a tax payer for the first time ! I'm feeling rather chuffed........
Next year I might get it down to under an hour, but this year I had to populate the 3916 forms, online this time. 43 of them. At least I didn't kill a forest of trees like last year.
 
That should have bee 10 mins.......but I only have one number to input. Everything else was just carried forward from last year. The only change I noticed was that the number that I put in for pension retraits on 2047 was not automatically carried forward into 1AM on 2042.

Anyway COYP !!
 
For the first time, I've seen the below message come up and I'm not sure what to do. I normally complete mine and my husbands’ pensions in box 1am and 1bm. They are both UK pensions and we are part of the French d'assurance maladie scheme in . Does anyone know what I should put?

' Vous avez perçu des pensions de source étrangère déclarées en 1AM et/ou 1BM. Si vous êtes affilié à un régime d'assurance maladie français, n'oubliez pas de remplir les rubriques 8TV, 8QV, 8TH, 8QX selon le taux de CSG applicable à votre situation. Pour connaître la ou les rubriques à renseigner en fonction du taux de CSG applicable, vous pouvez vous reporter à l'imprimé n° 2041 GG disponible sur impots.gouv.fr'

'You received pensions from foreign sources declared in 1AM and/or 1BM. If you are d with a French health insurance plan, do not forget to complete sections 8TV, 8QV, 8TH, 8QX according to the CSG rate applicable to your situation. To find out which section(s) to complete depending on the applicable CSG rate, you can refer to form no. 2041 GG available on impots.gouv.fr'
 
I just ignored it......box 8UU came up already ticked as did 8SH from last year and I didn't think the rest applied to me.
 
For the first time, I've seen the below message come up and I'm not sure what to do. I normally complete mine and my husbands’ pensions in box 1am and 1bm. They are both UK pensions and we are part of the French d'assurance maladie scheme in . Does anyone know what I should put?

' Vous avez perçu des pensions de source étrangère déclarées en 1AM et/ou 1BM. Si vous êtes affilié à un régime d'assurance maladie français, n'oubliez pas de remplir les rubriques 8TV, 8QV, 8TH, 8QX selon le taux de CSG applicable à votre situation. Pour connaître la ou les rubriques à renseigner en fonction du taux de CSG applicable, vous pouvez vous reporter à l'imprimé n° 2041 GG disponible sur impots.gouv.fr'

'You received pensions from foreign sources declared in 1AM and/or 1BM. If you are d with a French health insurance plan, do not forget to complete sections 8TV, 8QV, 8TH, 8QX according to the CSG rate applicable to your situation. To find out which section(s) to complete depending on the applicable CSG rate, you can refer to form no. 2041 GG available on impots.gouv.fr'
Me too.
2041 GG states that a foreign sourced income including a pension, which is within the definition of a 'revenu de remplacement' is subject to CSG:
"Les revenus de remplacement sont constitués par les allocations de chômage, les indemnités journalières de maladie, de maternité ou d’accident du travail et les pensions de retraite ou d’invalidité."
"Les pensions de retraite ou d’invalidité sont normalement imposables à la CSG au taux de 8,3 %. à laquelle s’ajoute la CRDS au taux de 0,5 % et la CASA au taux de 0,30 %."
My understanding is that if you are declaring revenue from a non-French pension that has been taxed at source and benefits from a tax treaty with , AND you benefit from hip of a French health scheme, you have not paid CSG on that foreign pension, so the fisc expect it to be declared (in 8TV or whichever box is applicable to your situation) and subjected to CSG which would have been deducted at source if it were a French pension.
I would love for someone to say I am wrong.
 
A related issue: Can anyone confirm that the amounts in 8TK of 2042 and in "Pension, Retraites declarant 1" can be different?

The warning generated if they are different implies they should be equivalent, but 8TK can be a combination of pension and bank interest income (if each are taxed at source), since you have to cumulate amounts from a foreign country in section 6 of 2047.
 
Has anyone else received a text as a 'hurry up' to send in their declaration when they've already filed?

The web link and phone number seem to check out, but I declared online earlier in the week.

Is this just their system not being ed up, as the landing page on my is still telling me that I can file online,

although when I click through it says that I have already sent it, would I like to make a correction...


Anyway COYP !!
Sailed right over, that one.

Well done matey.🥂

Hope the hangover has eased.
 
Has anyone else received a text as a 'hurry up' to send in their declaration when they've already filed?

The web link and phone number seem to check out, but I declared online earlier in the week.
Probably it's a blanket reminder that goes to everyone, and if the cap fits....

If you got the instant automatic email from dgfip confirming that 'Votre déclaration a bien été enregistrée le 20 mai 2025 à 16:16:28' or whenever, I doubt there will be much argument over whether your declaration was received.
Don't delete the email.
 
If you got the instant automatic email from dgfip confirming that 'Votre déclaration a bien été enregistrée le 20 mai 2025 à 16:16:28' or whenever, I doubt there will be much argument over whether your declaration was received.
Don't delete the email.
Ah,ok, thanks. Found it in the 'junk' (it's a new email following my MicroS### problems).

They're probably not organised with their 'back end' (so to speak).

Most French sites are lacking. Leboncoin send me messages asking if I'd like to spend 10€

to 'Boost' my ad - for something that sold 3 weeks ago. 🙈


Cheers !
Just about..........'twas a great day.
I was with you in Spirit.
Confirmed ABC here : Anyone But City. 🤗
 
Ah,ok, thanks. Found it in the 'junk' (it's a new email following my MicroS### problems).

They're probably not organised with their 'back end' (so to speak).

Most French sites are lacking. Leboncoin send me messages asking if I'd like to spend 10€

to 'Boost' my ad - for something that sold 3 weeks ago. 🙈




I was with you in Spirit.
Confirmed ABC here : Anyone But City. 🤗

Ha ! Last time you said that it meant Anyone But Chelsea..........
 
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