[EuroTrash]

Normally it is 3 years but under the WA, absences of up to 5 years are allowed for holders of 10 year cards. That's clearly stated in the agreement.
Like I said it seems the cds retraité may be the one I should move on to, since it seem specifically designed for foreigners who have worked in and then moved abroad in retirement. But whatever I do, I can see there being a problem if my status is recorded wrong on ANEF.

Of course there is also this EU case law https://www.kroesadvocaten.nl/en/im...tory-of-the-eu-and-the-netherlands-regarding-the-eu-long-term-residence-permit/
which ruled that rights are lost through being physically absent from the territory, rather than by the fact of being officially resident elsewhere. Looks conclusive enough as judgments go but it's the kind of thing that may be challenged.

 

[Clic Clac]

Normally it is 3 years but under the WA, absences of up to 5 years are allowed for holders of 10 year cards. That's clearly stated in the agreement.

Like I said it seems the cds retraité may be the one I should move on to, since it seem specifically designed for foreigners who have worked in and then moved abroad in retirement.

So is your WARP a 10 year card? Mine is only for 5 years, expiring next year.

What does the cds retraité offer? Just the ability to by the 90 day rule?

I wonder if my 50 quid a month from Carsat qualifies me for one if needed.

 

[EuroTrash]

Yes my WARP is 10 years expiring 2031. As opposed to my citoyen UE card that anef thinks I am on, which was also 10 years expiring 2029.

And yes basically as I understand it the retraité card allows you to spend unlimited time in as a visitor. I guess you have to be a bit careful not to stay so long you accidentally get yourself classed as resident. But I'm not sure whether you need to have previously held a 10 year card in order to be able to apply for this. I've read it twice and I'm stlll not crystal clear if a 5 year WARP would do the trick. See what you think.

Carte de séjour pour étranger retraité ou cont de retraité

L'étranger retraité après avoir travaillé en , retourné vivre à l'étranger peut obtenir un titre « retraité » qui lui permet d'entrer en sans visa.

www.service-public.fr

 

[Clic Clac]

I've read it twice and I'm stlll not crystal clear if a 5 year WARP would do the trick. See what you think.

Not sure.
Probably depends who's on the guichet that day. 😅

It asks for your residence details in , so not sure if you can use it simply to travel around.

 

[EuroTrash]

It asks for your residence details in , so not sure if you can use it simply to travel around.

Would anyone actually need this if all they wanted to do was travel round ? 90/180 is surely plenty for most cottontops away from home staying in airbnbs etc. I think I'm more nomadic than average and even so after 3 months in the van I'm about ready for "home".
I perhaps naively assumed this visa is recognition that people who worked in for a long time may in retirement wish to maintain the ties that they developed during their working lives, even though they no longer live there. That being the case I think it's a nice gesture.

 

[Clic Clac]

Would anyone actually need this if all they wanted to do was travel round ? 90/180 is surely plenty for most cottontops away from home staying in airbnbs etc. I think I'm more nomadic than average and even so after 3 months in the van I'm about ready for "home".

I perhaps naively assumed this visa is recognition that people who worked in for a long time may in retirement wish to maintain the ties that they developed during their working lives, even though they no longer live there. That being the case I think it's a nice gesture.

I heard a UK 'Boomer' on the radio today complaining that he comes over for the summer in his camper, then if September is forecast to be nice
he would like to stay an extra month but can't.

I just wondered about the emphasis on showing an address here, but I won't worry about it at the moment.
First I'll see which side of the Channel I'm on when I take my pension...

 

[EuroTrash]

It asks for your residence details in

Where are you seeing that?
When it says justificatif de domicile, it must mean your address abroad since that is where your domicile is.
The documents they are asking for are all about proving you genuinely are established in another country - proof of address, proof you pay your taxes, and a certificate of habitual residence that goodness knows how you get from the UK.

Actually having reread the page I see it's not unlimited, each visit is limited to one year. Which makes sense

 

[Clic Clac]

Where are you seeing that?

'Justificatif de votre résidence régulière en avec une carte de résident'

 

[Clic Clac]

Actually having reread the page I see it's not unlimited, each visit is limited to one year. Which makes sense

Yes I saw that one.
Do you think you can leave for a weekend then return for another near-year?

 

[EuroTrash]

'Justificatif de votre résidence régulière en avec une carte de résident'

Yes but that means you have to show that you did reside legitimately in . So basically they want your tax returns for the period up until you left.

They wouldn't be asking you to prove you live in currently, would they. One of the criteria is that you currently live abroad, hence they are asking for proof that you do live abroad. But another criterion is that you previously lived in , so you have to prove that too.
('Residence' here doesn't mean residence as in a house that's yours to live in, it means residence as in a period during which you had the status of resident)

 

[Clic Clac]

Yes but that means you have to show that you did reside legitimately in . So basically they want your tax returns for the period up until you left.

They wouldn't be asking you to prove you live in currently, would they. One of the criteria is that you currently live abroad, hence they are asking for proof that you do live abroad. But another criterion is that you previously lived in , so you have to prove that too.
('Residence' here doesn't mean residence as in a house that's yours to live in, it means residence as in a period during which you had the status of resident)

Ah, ok.
That's the part that was confusing me. It sounded like I needed an address in .
So does it sound like 364/365 days is ok?

 

[Clic Clac]

Yes but that means you have to show that you did reside legitimately in . So basically they want your tax returns for the period up until you left.

Also I can't see any mention of a pension minimum.
Do you think my 50 quid a month will do the trick?

 

[EuroTrash]

I think a pension is a pension.
I'd be more concerned whether a 5 year warp card is acceptable.
Plus if you're seriously thinking of going for this one in 2026, how you would show solid proof of being established in the UK.
In your shoes I would stay on warp, it's a no brainer

 

[Clic Clac]

... but I won't worry about it at the moment.
First I'll see which side of the Channel I'm on when I take my pension...

I think a pension is a pension.
I'd be more concerned whether a 5 year warp card is acceptable.
Plus if you're seriously thinking of going for this one in 2026, how you would show solid proof of being established in the UK.
In your shoes I would stay on warp, it's a no brainer

No, not next year.
I'll hopefully renew my WARPy.
Just like to know my options, keep the old ducks in a row, just in case.

Might be back to freedom-of-movement by then anyway.
Keith Starmer has just sold the UK fishermen down the river (down the estuary?) in exchange for
18-30s free movement.

It's also been a great boost for Champagne sales as the corks are already popping at Reform HQ. 😅

 

[EuroTrash]

Keith Starmer has just sold the UK fishermen down the river (down the estuary?) in exchange for
18-30s free movement.

You couldn't make it up could you. A few months back the EU offered a youth mobility deal with no quid pro quo, purely as a token of mutual goodwill. Starmer refused on the grounds it was not in the uk's best interests. Now he's dressing it up as a concession he has won/bought with fish???

Honestly I don't think it's worth trying to plan that far ahead as far as visas and stuff are concerned. Those ducks that you're lining up will be confit long before then Just keep an eye on the changes as they happen.

 

[Clic Clac]

You couldn't make it up could you.

Honestly I don't think it's worth trying to plan that far ahead as far as visas and stuff are concerned.

Good old Keith.
The EU were demanding 5 years, but he was having none of it and 'negotiated' it up to 12 years. 🤡

Yes, I'll just concentrate on next year's WARPy.

You concentrate on gluing your WARPy inside your port. 😂

 

[EuroTrash]

You concentrate on gluing your WARPy inside your port. 😂

Touché.

 

[Clic Clac]

Normally it is 3 years but under the WA, absences of up to 5 years are allowed for holders of 10 year cards.

Of course there is also this EU case law ...
which ruled that rights are lost through being physically absent from the territory, rather than by the fact of being officially resident elsewhere.

Forgot to ask :

How did you wangle a 10 year WARP?
Was that because you already had a cds & do you think it's likely that us folks renewing our first card
will be given a new one for 10 years?

Does working outside count as 'physically absent', or would it depend on whether you were returning for a visit,say every month,
or away for all of a one year contract ?

 

[EuroTrash]

How did you wangle a 10 year WARP?

If you had lived in for more than 5 years at the end of transition you got a 10 year card. If you'd lived in for less than 5 years you got a 5 year card. Five years being the usual rule for qualifying for 'permanent' rights. Simples.
When you renew you'll get a 10 year one.

What counts as permissible absence / continuous absence isn't black and white like that, they look at various factors.

 

[Clic Clac]

Actually having reread the page I see it's not unlimited, each visit is limited to one year. Which makes sense

Just chewing this one over as I had my corn flakes...

What might be the best arrangement for health cover as a most-of-the-year visitor?

Do SAGA, or similar, do a travel insurance which would cover this, or is there a better route to 'top up' the EHIC ?
(Never have much faith in insurance companies having worked for three of them 😪 ).