Do boat full of illegal immigrants get to the Canary Islands?
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Are you serious?
Is there any guarantee that the thousands of people who come into the airports of Spain everyday, with a port, are not serial killers?
Is there any guarantee that the Brits who drive over aren't peodofiles, perverts or rapists?
Do you think that airport security weeds out "Bad Apples"?
Do you think that baddies don't get ports = illegal immigrants are criminals? And the rest of us are "goodies"?
Unbelievable.
BTW - Jimenato pointed out to me that Spain has more immigrants than the UK, so if that's a problem for you, maybe you should think again about where to go. I've heard there is little immigration in Eritrea...
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That's a bit of a poor attitude if you ask me, can you guarantee your neighbour isn't?
I think you have been living in Australia a bit too long and like most Australians probably don't understand the question at hand. It's absolutely disgraceful the way that we treat asylum seekers, so much so that now they will never reach our shores.
I can guarantee you that if a government decides to accept asylum seekers and process them quickly and humanely then yes, you will have your guarantee that those allowed in will be no more of a threat than those coming in on the red-eye from London.
What is more disgraceful is the last 3 elections have been won because of the problem with "boat people" and now both parties are seeing who can come up with the tougher stance for the current election which I probably should feign an interest in seeing as I am forced to vote but honestly couldn't give a rats.
Now this is a rant mainly about Oz, but the same applies elsewhere to a point.
Immigrants built our country and out of all the years of welcome immigration everything they have brought to the country has only improved it. Never have immigrants given cause for a whole nation to become at best xenophobes, never. There is no reason now to suspect these people fleeing for their lives will turn the whole nation upside down.
It's disgusting quite frankly, I'm angry at my nation and embarrassed for those that the hardline policy against asylum seekers.
Most illegals in Oz are from the US, UK or China. But they arrive on planes so that's alright.
I think you have been living in Australia a bit too long and like most Australians probably don't understand the question at hand. It's absolutely disgraceful the way that we treat asylum seekers, so much so that now they will never reach our shores.
I can guarantee you that if a government decides to accept asylum seekers and process them quickly and humanely then yes, you will have your guarantee that those allowed in will be no more of a threat than those coming in on the red-eye from London.
What is more disgraceful is the last 3 elections have been won because of the problem with "boat people" and now both parties are seeing who can come up with the tougher stance for the current election which I probably should feign an interest in seeing as I am forced to vote but honestly couldn't give a rats.
Now this is a rant mainly about Oz, but the same applies elsewhere to a point.
Immigrants built our country and out of all the years of welcome immigration everything they have brought to the country has only improved it. Never have immigrants given cause for a whole nation to become at best xenophobes, never. There is no reason now to suspect these people fleeing for their lives will turn the whole nation upside down.
It's disgusting quite frankly, I'm angry at my nation and embarrassed for those that the hardline policy against asylum seekers.
Most illegals in Oz are from the US, UK or China. But they arrive on planes so that's alright.
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Coín is a transition town. They have a web site: Coin En Transicion
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It's worth watching this TED talk by Rob Hopkins, founder of the Transition Movement. It's a good introduction. Rob Hopkins: Transition to a world without oil | Video on TED.com
To be fair he's got a point. Australians will be scrutinised more carefully than most from now on.
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No, I can't. No-one can. But ponder.
The terrorists who killed over fifty people in London six years ago were born and raised in Britain.
Your Red Brigade terrorists of the sixties and seventies were 100% Italian.
The Unibomber was pure American.
Have you no bad apples in Italy? Seems to me that there is a lot of rotting fruit in your Parliament. Start rooting out your own 'bad apples' then worry about unwelcome immigrants might be the best course.
No, I can't. No-one can. But ponder.
Have you no bad apples in Italy? Seems to me that there is a lot of rotting fruit in your Parliament. Start rooting out your own 'bad apples' then worry about unwelcome immigrants might be the best course.
That's why I left.
Italy was wonderful. Not anymore.
I don't care what YOU think.
You can host hundreds of them in your back yard or go working for Unicef or the Red Cross.
I work hard to earn a living and pay rent and it's not my issue to fix everyone else's problems.
The USA and the UK alone could fix all the World issues if they only wanted to do so instead of bombing every country that doesn't suit their agenda or selling weapons to other countries to fit their agenda (see sale of US choppers to Indonesia few days ago).
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Of course you don't care what I think, but I can still voice an opinion. And my opinion is that your take on things is very disturbing!
I don't work for Unicef nor the Red Cross. I do donate to certain charities, but I'm under no illusion - I'm not a particularly generous person with neither my time nor money. I'm not a "do gooder".
I do recognise people in need though, and I am capable of empathising with others, which I believe is a basic human trait; something that, if missing, can destroy healthy communities.
I fail to see what the bombing schedules of the US and UK have to do with illegal immigrants in Spain, but please don't explain it to me.
There is an Australian citizen in the Ecuador Embassy in London 24/7 surrounded by the British Police.
Ask him.
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So what?
There are 46 Sri Lankans, Kuwaities and a Myanmarian in an Australian run prison on Christmas Island, sorry detention center and have been for the last 4 years who have been subjected to worse conditions than a state run criminal prison and certainly worse than Mr Assange has been subjected too.
UN Criticises Australia's Asylum Seeker Policy, Demands Release of Refugees for Human Rights Violation [VIDEO] - International Business Times
That's only scratching the top of the barrel too.
You're probably better off asking them.
There are 46 Sri Lankans, Kuwaities and a Myanmarian in an Australian run prison on Christmas Island, sorry detention center and have been for the last 4 years who have been subjected to worse conditions than a state run criminal prison and certainly worse than Mr Assange has been subjected too.
UN Criticises Australia's Asylum Seeker Policy, Demands Release of Refugees for Human Rights Violation [VIDEO] - International Business Times
That's only scratching the top of the barrel too.
You're probably better off asking them.
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Most of these people coming from Morocco on rafts etc are from Sub-Saharan Africa, not Morocco itself. They pay people-traffickers their life savings to take them to Tangiers or the Ceuta border because they believe Europe is paradise compared to what they are used to. The people-smugglers tell them all sorts of lies, of course, to get their money.
The 80% increase in arrivals to Spain's shores in the past few weeks is due to a brutal crackdown by the Moroccan police.
The desperate trip to Parallel 35 | In English | EL PAÍS
The 80% increase in arrivals to Spain's shores in the past few weeks is due to a brutal crackdown by the Moroccan police.
This is a very good article in English about the whole situation.
The desperate trip to Parallel 35 | In English | EL PAÍS
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Why is there an increase in illegal immigrants to Spain if the Moroccan police crackdown? Do you mean that if the Moroccon police don't act the immigants stay in Morocco?
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And probably not since the time of Caesar Augustus
So there's an Australian citizen in London...the Ecuadoreans obviously have an open-minded attitude to asylum seekers, whoever they are, especially when there's a strong possibility that the charges against this particular person may be fabricated and malicious.
Immigrants can't add much to Italy's current sdomestic problems, which include a crap economy, an ex-Prime Minister who is notorious for financial corruption, manipulating the law to his own advantage and who enjoys sex with underage prostitutes and anything with a pulse and who has been given a much-deserved jail sentence.
Organised crime controls much of southern Italy and Sicily, your judiciary is corrupt and you have neo-fascist parties in Parliament.
And you think immigration is your major problem...???
You go to live in Italy for at least 2 years, then I will be willing to have this conversation with you.And you think immigration is your major problem...???
No offence, but I can't pretend to know everything about your country without even spending few years in it.
Sorry...WHERE did I write that Australia treats refugees in a wonderful way?
Listen people, I came here with lots of good intentions but if you are all trying to make me look like a heartless ******* who doesn't care about poor people you got it terribly wrong because not many years ago I was homeless and that's not because I had issues but simply because I could not find work.
Then I worked my butt off and I turned my life around so much that now I am looking to hire people in my new business.
The thing I would like you to know is that some of the refugees I saw in Italy not only would stab you for 50 EUR, but they were DEMANDING houses (for free), food (for free) and lots of other things.
Maybe I should simply demand things rather than break my back working.
Then I worked my butt off and I turned my life around so much that now I am looking to hire people in my new business.
The thing I would like you to know is that some of the refugees I saw in Italy not only would stab you for 50 EUR, but they were DEMANDING houses (for free), food (for free) and lots of other things.
Maybe I should simply demand things rather than break my back working.
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You brought up Assange like we should care. Just one Australian citizen who has actually committed a crime, not really the same thing as an asylum seeker. Some of the nonsense you have posted is exactly the same sort of nonsense being sprouted by labour/liberal politics in Australia, so yeah, I'm making the connection.
My point is just as valid as yours.
My point is just as valid as yours.
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