Has anyone else had issues creating their on ANEF?

No. Just you. 🤣

I hadn't heard of ANEF.

Don't we go through the local Prefectures any more?

 

I thought I'd read a public service update recently claiming that all titre de séjour procedures are now online only.
But I am just wondering if in fact WARP cardholders aren't yet. I suppose I'm going to have to email the préfecture anyway, and it would be nice if I could say It seems that WARP holders can't on ANEF.
Losing your card is bad enough. Losing your card AND being unable to on a site that nobody else has any problems with, would be even worse. So I'm clinging to a faint hope that it's a systems issue not an ET issue.

 

I thought I'd read a public service update recently claiming that all titre de séjour procedures are now online only.
So I'm clinging to a faint hope that it's a systems issue not an ET issue.

Not sure. Haven't had any dealings with them since I updated my address.
That was over two years ago, and I just went onto the Prefecture's site.

* Just had a quick look and ANEF has apparently been rolling out since 2020, with change of address since 2021.
Mine was definitely in 2023 so I wonder if I was just diverted through the Pref site without realising.


An ET issue. 😅 Involving French websites.

 

Ah. So it might be they haven't brung us Article 50 bad a55e5 into the fold yet.
When you try to message the techies you have to say what your query is about, and from memory the only options were EU family member, Talent, Retiree or Visitor. I chose Visitor but it isn't really.

 

IGNORE THIS THREAD
(well you were anyway lol)

Panic over. I found my cds under the enger seat - third time I looked there.
I'm so grateful to the very very nice man at the French border yesterday who listened to my tale of the vanishing cds and took pity on me and let me in without stamping my port. I don't think they would all have done that.
Would still be interested why I can't set myself up on anef but it's academic now.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

Panic over. I found my cds under the enger seat - third time I looked there.

Was it under the empty wine bottles? 😅

 

It's funny now but it wasn't then. I always keep the card inside my port and I noticed it wasn't there when the UK border officer was looking at the port. So then I looked on the van floor and under the seats but I didn't know for sure if it had even been in the port when I set off that morning, I'd checked I had the port but I hadn't looked inside, and when it didn't seem to anywhere in the van I assumed it had gone missing previously. I suppose the card must have pinged out without me seeing when I got my port out of my bag to give to the border officer, and it had landed lying against the inside of the metal seat frame, on its edge.. So it wasn't flat on the floor and visible, and I hadn't felt it with my hand when I reached around under the seat, the only way to see it was if you put your head upside down on the floor in the footwell and looked really carefully with a torch. Which at the port with luggage on the seat wasn't very possible.
The border guard was lovely, he was a sensible chap of a certain age, not one of the young aggressive breed. I tried to fob him off with my old EU cds which I still carry in my purse, but I could see by the way he was looking at it that he was smelling a rat so I itted I knew it was the wrong cds and explained I did have an Article 50 one but I couldn't find it. And I showed him a scan of it on my phone. And in the end he said Bon allez, I'll let you in without a stamp.
It took a while and the people behind me in the queue must have been hating me.

 

...the only way to see it was if you put your head upside down on the floor in the footwell and looked really carefully with a torch.

Always works for that chap driving the yellow mini, especially when his feet are sticking out of the sunroof. 🤗 😅

Anyway, 'All's well that ends well', and all that.

 

Just a follow up on this, to report that the préfecture has replied and seems minded to be helpful. In case anyone else gets this issue, the advice given is
"Ce blocage peut apparaitre si vous avez obtenu un récépissé (de renouvellement, de demande de correction en préfecture, de changement d'adresse, de changement d'état matrimonial...), une autorisation provisoire au séjour (APS), ou une attestation de demande d'asile depuis l'obtention de votre dernier titre.
Nous vous invitons donc à renseigner les dates présentes sur ce document."

However I have done none of those things. Now that I've opened the dialogue I intend to pursue it as invited even though it's no longer urgent, because I suppose it will need to get resolved sooner or later so may as well do it now.

 

Just caught an article in the local press regarding the massive series of bugs in the ANEF system. Here's on example (in French):

Les étrangers travaillant en victimes de la dématérialisation des titres de séjour, "on a des bugs informatiques depuis au moins trois ans"

Début avril, des associations, dont Emmaüs, ont dénoncé les dysfonctionnements récurrents de l’istration numérique pour les étrangers en (Anef), une plateforme établie dans les Ardennes. Ces bugs ont pour conséquence...

3-regions.tvinfo.fr

It's small comfort, but it seems very likely that it's not just you. The system appears to be causing a lot of the issues.

 

An update.
I managed to create an - but not using the details from my WARP card. I entered the details from my superseded pre-Brexit card and that worked. Actually I thought I'd tried that before and it didn't work, but today it did.
When I look at my , it has details of my old card but it doesn't seem to know about my WARP card. So it has me recorded as holding a card as an EU citizen with an expiry date of 2029. Whereas my WARP card is valid until 2031.
Oh dear.
I'm trying to get my head round what implications and issues, if any, might arise from this, apart from the obvious problem of renewal when the time comes.
I suppose I ought to do something about it but it's tempting to kick the can down the road for a few years.

 

... or apply for French nationality in the meantime?

 

Unfortunately that ship has sailed, I'm living in Wales for now, albeit still spending quite a bit of time in . Not sure what the future holds but current thinking is that my next cds might be the retiree one, for foreigners on French pensions, that lets you spend as much time in as you want but you're classed as non resident and you don't have the right to work. That's the one I've got my eye on unless the situation changes, so I'm just hoping they don't mess with it in the new wave of tightening up.

 

I'd be careful about planning on renewing the resident card. Last I knew (though I haven't checked lately) you can't "renew" a 10 year resident card if you have been resident outside of for 3 years during the 10 years your card was valid. May not apply to the WARP cards, but you may want to look into that over the years you have remaining on your current card.

 

Normally it is 3 years but under the WA, absences of up to 5 years are allowed for holders of 10 year cards. That's clearly stated in the agreement.
Like I said it seems the cds retraité may be the one I should move on to, since it seem specifically designed for foreigners who have worked in and then moved abroad in retirement. But whatever I do, I can see there being a problem if my status is recorded wrong on ANEF.

Of course there is also this EU case law https://www.kroesadvocaten.nl/en/im...tory-of-the-eu-and-the-netherlands-regarding-the-eu-long-term-residence-permit/
which ruled that rights are lost through being physically absent from the territory, rather than by the fact of being officially resident elsewhere. Looks conclusive enough as judgments go but it's the kind of thing that may be challenged.

 

Normally it is 3 years but under the WA, absences of up to 5 years are allowed for holders of 10 year cards. That's clearly stated in the agreement.

Like I said it seems the cds retraité may be the one I should move on to, since it seem specifically designed for foreigners who have worked in and then moved abroad in retirement.

So is your WARP a 10 year card? Mine is only for 5 years, expiring next year.

What does the cds retraité offer? Just the ability to by the 90 day rule?

I wonder if my 50 quid a month from Carsat qualifies me for one if needed.

 

Yes my WARP is 10 years expiring 2031. As opposed to my citoyen UE card that anef thinks I am on, which was also 10 years expiring 2029.

And yes basically as I understand it the retraité card allows you to spend unlimited time in as a visitor. I guess you have to be a bit careful not to stay so long you accidentally get yourself classed as resident. But I'm not sure whether you need to have previously held a 10 year card in order to be able to apply for this. I've read it twice and I'm stlll not crystal clear if a 5 year WARP would do the trick. See what you think.

Carte de séjour pour étranger retraité ou cont de retraité

L'étranger retraité après avoir travaillé en , retourné vivre à l'étranger peut obtenir un titre « retraité » qui lui permet d'entrer en sans visa.

www.service-public.fr

 

I've read it twice and I'm stlll not crystal clear if a 5 year WARP would do the trick. See what you think.

Not sure.
Probably depends who's on the guichet that day. 😅

It asks for your residence details in , so not sure if you can use it simply to travel around.

 

I think a pension is a pension.
I'd be more concerned whether a 5 year warp card is acceptable.
Plus if you're seriously thinking of going for this one in 2026, how you would show solid proof of being established in the UK.
In your shoes I would stay on warp, it's a no brainer

 

... but I won't worry about it at the moment.
First I'll see which side of the Channel I'm on when I take my pension...

I think a pension is a pension.
I'd be more concerned whether a 5 year warp card is acceptable.
Plus if you're seriously thinking of going for this one in 2026, how you would show solid proof of being established in the UK.
In your shoes I would stay on warp, it's a no brainer

No, not next year.
I'll hopefully renew my WARPy.
Just like to know my options, keep the old ducks in a row, just in case.

Might be back to freedom-of-movement by then anyway.
Keith Starmer has just sold the UK fishermen down the river (down the estuary?) in exchange for
18-30s free movement.

It's also been a great boost for Champagne sales as the corks are already popping at Reform HQ. 😅

 

Keith Starmer has just sold the UK fishermen down the river (down the estuary?) in exchange for
18-30s free movement.

You couldn't make it up could you. A few months back the EU offered a youth mobility deal with no quid pro quo, purely as a token of mutual goodwill. Starmer refused on the grounds it was not in the uk's best interests. Now he's dressing it up as a concession he has won/bought with fish???

Honestly I don't think it's worth trying to plan that far ahead as far as visas and stuff are concerned. Those ducks that you're lining up will be confit long before then Just keep an eye on the changes as they happen.